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[06:31]<camerongray> hey Craig
[07:03]<+Craig> Hey,
[07:26]<+Craig> Hey camerongray http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/435742530/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board <- your next toy. :P
[07:27]<camerongray> Nice!
[07:27]<camerongray> Still need to figure out the arduino :P
[07:28]<+Craig> :P
[07:28]<+Craig> You should be watching this show, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBl1fwEpsLQ <- :)
[07:28]<camerongray> lol
[07:31]<+Craig> And you should join their IRC, they could probably help you learn your Arduino :P
[07:31]<+Craig> irc.geekshed.com
[07:31]<+Craig> sorry .net
[07:32]<camerongray> Ahh, I've just not had time for it
[08:49]<camerongray> Will probably go to the Edinburgh Hack Lab
[08:49]<camerongray> That's probably the best pace for arduino stuff
[08:50]<+FusRoDah> hey camerongray and Craig
[08:50]<camerongray> hey FusRoDah
[08:50]<camerongray> Did you see my PM response?
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[08:50]<camerongray> Sorry, took a few days :P
[08:50]<@Mulreay> erm nope one sec
[08:50]<@BC_Programming> So you reveal your true form!
[08:50]<camerongray> hehehe, hey BC_Programming
[08:51]<@BC_Programming> I always suspected fusrodah was Mulreay, one of the big clues was when he said that FusRoDah was his alt, that got me thinking
[08:51]<camerongray> har!
[08:52]<@Mulreay> OK just read it camerongray.. yeah i would sort out the place to do it.. not gonna ask to set up shop in your living room :) but cool thx
[08:52]<@Mulreay> will let you know
[08:52]<camerongray> That would be fine then
[08:52]<@Mulreay> cool
[08:54]<camerongray> How are you getting on with things?
[08:55]<@Mulreay> I have a meeting with scott from MS on the 3rd in London then a meeting with a guy from sony later the next week... VERY slow process
[08:55]<camerongray> Nice! What are sony doing?
[08:57]<@Mulreay> Sony Liverpool (I know) Scott put me on to them.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCE_Studio_Liverpool
[08:57]<@Mulreay> Bizarre they still have a gaming dept
[09:00]<camerongray> Ahh, nice!
[09:00]<@Mulreay> I say Sony Liverpool but the guy is actually in london so killing two birds with one stone whilst I'm down there
[09:00]<camerongray> yeah
[09:23]<@Mulreay> camerongray you still about?
[09:23]<@Mulreay> Jacky is here whooooo
[09:23]<@Mulreay> t
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[09:24]<@Mulreay> hey jacky
[09:24]<@jacky> Mulreay: Hello
[09:30]<camerongray> Mulreay: Yep
[09:30]<camerongray> Hey jacky
[09:31]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[09:31]<@Mulreay> Hey, can you tell me what you get if you go to www.pixelsintheblood.com pls
[09:31]<@BC_Programming> Maintenance mode
[09:31]<camerongray> Maintenance Mode
[09:32]<@Mulreay> ahh cool thx.. as admin I could still see the main homepage
[09:32]<camerongray> If you ever need help with the wesbite, feel free to ask
[09:32]<@Mulreay> Oh I will ;)
[09:32]<camerongray> lol
[09:32]<@jacky> It's a naked pic of mulreay!
[09:32]<camerongray> hehehe
[09:32]<@jacky> hehehehe
[09:32]<@Mulreay> lol
[09:33]<camerongray> psst jacky, he said go to the website, not your "mulreay" folder
[09:33]<camerongray> :P
[09:33]<@jacky> oh
[09:33]<@jacky> ok
[09:33]<@jacky> whew
[09:33]<@Mulreay> haha
[09:33]<camerongray> You also might want to look into Drupal, might be better than wordpress for fancy stuff like members' areas
[09:33]<@jacky> just so long as it is not programming, it is allowed here
[09:33]<@jacky> <g>
[09:33]<camerongray> lol!
[09:34]<@Mulreay> Those pics were between you and me jacky... can't believe you told people.. you said I will teach you to create a bot in exchange
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> lol
[09:34]<camerongray> lol!
[09:35]<@jacky> but the $64,000 question: is the bot naked?
[09:35]<@jacky> camerongray: don't get carried away and post a link to something about programming!!! that's not allowed!!!
[09:35]<camerongray> har!
[09:35]<@jacky> BC_Programming might compile you for that
[09:36]<@jacky> as a matter of fact.... is his nick even allowed?
[09:36]<camerongray> hmm, that's interesting :P
[09:36]<@jacky> oh wait! duh....
[09:36]<@jacky> he's special
[09:36]<@jacky> he's an op
[09:36]<camerongray> Mulreay: Drupal is really good though, it doesn't have all the themes.etc that Wordpress has (although they aren't too hard to make) but it's great since it has a lot of power to build bespoke stuff
[09:36]<@jacky> he doesn't HAVE to follow rules... he can just do whatever he wants.
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> yesh BOW TO ME
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> Now I will remove everybody's voice for no reason!
[09:37]<@jacky> I promise not to mention your name ever again, since it contains a dirty word
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> instead you can enjoy television programming
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> oh oops
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> To the gallows!
[09:38]<@jacky> oh.. woe is me... It is PBS on TV now.... and guess what they are teaching??
[09:39]<@jacky> (it starts with a "P")
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> Prison systems?
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> Penmanship?
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> pituitary discretion?
[09:39]<@jacky> "progra**ing"
[09:39]<@jacky> sigh
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> that was my next guess
[09:40]<@jacky> whew.. .he didn't throw me out
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> right after Polish Wheat farming
[09:40]<@jacky> for my AWFUL offense
[09:40]<@jacky> that's Prolish, not Polish
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> lol... <Quantos> Patio: PM
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> <patio> Yepper
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> <lostcoast> no secrets!
[09:42]<camerongray> lol
[09:43]<@jacky> maybe they are going off to exchange.... dare I say it? ... ... PROGRAMS!
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> The black market
[09:43]<@jacky> maybe that is what PM means, after all!!
[09:44]<@jacky> BC_Programming: no silly. "P"M... so it must be purple market
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> programming market
[09:44]<@jacky> aha!
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> you tricked me
[09:44]<@jacky> so what else is new?
[09:44]<@jacky> you even think you are smart, because we let you
[09:44]<@jacky> >g<
[09:45]<@jacky> are you going to hari-kari yourself now?
[09:45]<@jacky> for saying a bad thing?
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> no of course not, don't be ridiculous
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> I'm going to jump off a skyscraper
[09:46]<@jacky> because you are so lordly?
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> hari-kari and ruin a perfectly good sword? really
[09:46]<@jacky> I thought you could jump OVER them
[09:46]<@jacky> brb.. phone
[10:54]<@jacky> ugg
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[13:00]<@BC_Programming> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1781805-minecraft-beta-launcher-213/
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> OWNED!
[13:00]<@BC_Programming> (last two replies) :P
[13:18]<camerongray> nice!
[13:19]<camerongray> Why on earth would he put his email password in it :P
[13:19]<@BC_Programming> it was a launcher designed to steal MC passwords so it needed the password to send through smtp
[13:20]<camerongray> Ahh, you think he'd have the sense to set up a fake account for that :P
[13:30]<camerongray> hahaha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13X-gCv8lY
[13:31]<@BC_Programming> aww I already saw this
[13:31]<camerongray> lol
[13:31]<camerongray> Reminds me of the Newcastle airport hotel
[13:31]<camerongray> CRT TV had 3 channels :D
[13:31]<camerongray> Oh, and teletext
[13:32]<camerongray> They hadn't even removed the hair from the bath or washed the glasses in the room!
[13:32]<camerongray> And in this day and age they still allowed smoking in the rooms, whole place stank >:(
[13:33]<camerongray> Was only there one night, and that was too long!
[13:38]<+Craig> Hey Cam, did you get my message on CH?
[13:40]<camerongray> I did now
[13:40]<camerongray> Readinh
[13:41]<camerongray> Yeah, he can be a bit like that
[13:41]<camerongray> Although I personally don't believe in registry cleaners, never seen any performance difference :P
[13:53]<+Craig> Hehe, well, after the 60 some odd customers have paid for my services and have noticed a hugely marked improvement, I am sure they will disagree with you. Where is the evidence to the contrary?
[13:54]<@BC_Programming> you've provided no evidence. That which you assert without any evidence can be dismissed without any evidence
[13:55]<+Craig> I am not providing evidence, because I can't show you my customers computers, however, I am curious where the reasoning for your arguments come from? I am not trying to be rude, I am just curious why you guys so vehimently argue that optimizing the registry would have no effect?
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> Because it doesn't
[13:55]<camerongray> It's just that I've never found my PC to be slow and I've never used them
[13:56]<camerongray> The only PCs I've seen them on are the ones that have problems
[13:57]<@BC_Programming> "hey my PC feels faster" is a lot different than a measurable difference. Besides the fact that I would sure hope you did a lot more than just run a Registry Cleaner anyway, there is also the fact that they expect it to be faster so they are more liekly to be biassed towards feeling it is
[13:58]<+Craig> That is possible, and yes I did more than JUST the registry, but I usually do that first, and reboot, which is noticibly faster (I have actually timed original speed, vs new speed).
[13:59]<@BC_Programming> I find it highly unlikely you would time the original startup
[14:00]<+Craig> I always do, since its easier to show the customer
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[14:00]<@BC_Programming> even if you did, it's unlikely to be statistically significant, in fact I would hope it isn't, because in order to measure enough for it to be you would be wasting a lot of yours (and by extension the customers) time
[14:00]<camerongray> I just don't believe these tools, "Registry Defragmentation" - What even is that!
[14:01]<lucifer> Talking about hosting I see
[14:01]<+Craig> I am not arguing that one restart is not a good statistic, I am merely saying that I have noticed differences EVERY time.
[14:01]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: It's a made-up term, but I think it makes the registry files contiguous
[14:01]<camerongray> Ahh
[14:01]<camerongray> Big performance increase :P
[14:01]<@BC_Programming> my computer boots up faster if I wear white shoes
[14:02]<@BC_Programming> Every time I wear white shoes, I notice my computer starts faster!
[14:02]<camerongray> hehee
[14:02]<camerongray> lucifer: Where about?
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[14:02]<@BC_Programming> oooooh
[14:02]<@BC_Programming> Can't take the heat!
[14:03]<lucifer> Nvm ... I entered with BC_Programming saying about statistics and customers
[14:03]<@BC_Programming> is it weird that both things I disagree with Craig on start with r
[14:04]<camerongray> Ahh
[14:04]<camerongray> lol
[14:05]<camerongray> I don't believe they work :P
[14:05]<@BC_Programming> Most of the 'evidence' in favour of them is purely anecdotal; it's no different than the thing I said about white shoes
[14:05]<@BC_Programming> of you BELIEVE something works, you are going to notice a difference!
[14:06]<camerongray> I mean, there are many applications that don't remove stuff from the database when it's deleted, just mark it as inactive. If that doesn't impact performance enough to stop them doing it, then how can a few stray keys cause a problem!
[14:06]<@BC_Programming> the way the registry is setup actually means that extra data has zero impact on performance, because each Key is more or less a hashtable of the value names
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[14:07]<@BC_Programming> most people that argue that extra registry data is bad seem to be under the impression that the OS looks sequentially through everything, but it's a well-optimized Tree of HashTables, so extra values don't impact it
[14:07]<camerongray> Yeah
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> I think sections are hashed with their parent key too, but I've not really looked into the Registry format
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> ahh here it is in a fun PDF
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> http://sentinelchicken.com/research/registry_format/
[14:08]<camerongray> I've never used any tune-up program, and my PC is the fastest I've ever used
[14:09]<lucifer> My issue is that I'm using a 5000 rpm laptop drive on my desktop
[14:09]<@BC_Programming> 5000 or 5400
[14:09]<@BC_Programming> or is it a 5400 that's slow lol
[14:09]<lucifer> 5400 that is slow
[14:09]<lucifer> XD
[14:09]<camerongray> Ahh yeah
[14:10]<@BC_Programming> my laptop uses a 5400 but I don't really notice
[14:10]<camerongray> Oh yeah, my Granny has finally admitted that she needs a new PC :D
[14:10]<lucifer> XD camerongray
[14:10]<camerongray> Currently has a Dell Dimension 2400, slowest PC I've ever used!
[14:10]<camerongray> Even after putting it up to 1gb RAM
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> here's something neat, if you run a registry cleaner on XP Media center Edition 2005
[14:11]<camerongray> Not a bad spec really, 1gb RAM, 3.0GHz P4 HT, 120gb HDD
[14:11]<lucifer> My Internet finally got a kick up to the new speed promised over 3 years ago for installing fiber
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> guess what happens! It breaks ALL the media center features
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[14:11]<camerongray> hahaha!
[14:11]<camerongray> Tell Craig :P
[14:11]<camerongray> This is the new PC I specced up for her: http://www.ebuyer.com/lists/list/168887
[14:11]<Grumly> Howdy
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure what happens on other Media Center Editions though
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> Grumly:Greetings
[14:11]<camerongray> hey!
[14:12]<lucifer> My Internet is finally at 5mbps
[14:12]<Grumly> How's it going in here?
[14:12]<camerongray> Wow, you must live in the middle of nowehere :P
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2005/04/why-i-dont-use-registry-cleaners/ I should have just linked this
[14:12]<lucifer> Cause I don't think their old architecture could handle even 1
[14:12]<lucifer> camerongray nothing but corn fields here
[14:12]<camerongray> ahh
[14:13]<camerongray> I regard this as slow! http://www.speedtest.net/result/2662938075.png
[14:13]<camerongray> And that's with a video streaming
[14:13]<lucifer> XD
[14:14]<@BC_Programming> oh guess who made the first Registry cleaner
[14:14]<camerongray> lol, who?
[14:14]<@BC_Programming> Microsoft
[14:14]<lucifer> My aunt has now I think a 50 Mbps download speed
[14:14]<camerongray> lol!
[14:14]<@BC_Programming> regclean.exe was the first registry cleaner and was included in the windows SDK
[14:14]<@BC_Programming> but it had some specific task of removing missing COM registrations or something
[14:14]<camerongray> Yeah, when I move into my flat in the summer I hope to get 76mbps down and 19.5mbps up
[14:15]<camerongray> It's being installed in the area in June, I move in in August so here's hoping :P
[14:15]<lucifer> I barely get 1 up
[14:15]<camerongray> Failing that I can fall back to Virgin and get 60mbps
[14:15]<Grumly> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2662941677.png
[14:15]<camerongray> Plus the cable is already in place in the flat
[14:15]<camerongray> Grumly: Nice!
[14:15]<Grumly> Not really lol
[14:15]<camerongray> Faster than me
[14:16]<camerongray> Although at uni we get 100mbps up and down over the wifi
[14:16]<camerongray> I'm also not sure how it works with getting fibre installed in rental properties
[14:17]<lucifer> camerongray I do
[14:17]<camerongray> Ahh, how does it work?
[14:17]<camerongray> I imagine it depends on the landlord
[14:18]<lucifer> It's fiber to the residence (ie building then it's phone line)
[14:18]<lucifer> I've got direct fiber in
[14:19]<lucifer> Dang modem is expensive also!
[14:20]<camerongray> Ahh, they need to upgrade the phone line in the building
[14:20]<camerongray> Which is the problem, not sure if they will allow that to be done
[14:20]<lucifer> They should
[14:20]<lucifer> It's maybe an hour job per tenet
[14:21]<lucifer> Not like out here where it took 3 years to get everything done
[14:22]<lucifer> Cause we didn't even have fiber lines installed to begin with
[14:22]<camerongray> Nah, it's more the fact that it's modification to the property
[14:23]<lucifer> It adds value to the property
[14:24]<lucifer> It really does
[14:24]<camerongray> Yeah, but some places don't even like that
[14:25]<camerongray> One property we viewed had unpainted doors and bits of missing wallpaper but they were funny about letting us redecorate
[14:26]<camerongray> This is the one we found: http://www.citylets.co.uk/property-rent/sciennes-sciennes-road-eh9-50437/
[14:26]<camerongray> Really like it, just hoping the letting agents don't mess up - Not super impressed with them so far
[14:30]<lucifer> We generally don't have agents here besides for real estate ie homes for sale
[14:30]<camerongray> Ahh
[14:31]<camerongray> Here they all are, meant to be for added protection
[14:31]<camerongray> Makes sense but these ones seem a bit dumb :P
[14:31]<camerongray> The flat is the best we've seen though so we'll go with it and just be careful to keep a record of all communications with them
[14:32]<lucifer> We have contracts here for renters protection
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[14:32]<camerongray> hehehe!
[14:33]<lucifer> Lol bc
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[14:36]<camerongray> wb ChanbotVI
[14:36]<+Craig> ...
[14:36]<camerongray> GAAAAAA!
[14:36]<lucifer> Lol camerongray
[14:36]<@BC_Programming> gaaa?
[14:37]<@BC_Programming> oh lol
[14:37]<@BC_Programming> maybe you should just turn that off camerongray :P
[14:37]<camerongray> lol!
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[14:51]<+Craig> BC, I dissagree with you, however, I will stick with what I have proven to my many happy customers, I can make their computers work very well. And they should not need to call me more than once a year. I am considering this conversation closed (About Registry Cleaners).
[14:52]<@BC_Programming> that first however ought to be a "so"
[14:53]<+Craig> No, I am saying in spite of our dissagreement, I am going to continue.
[14:53]<+Craig> So however is appropriate.
[15:01]<lucifer> So apparently here soon I'll have to learn how to rebuild a manual car transmission to get my car running or I'll be waiting forever to get it fixed
[15:07]<+Craig> How fast is your computer? "It can render video on seconds", thats not what I mean! How fast is your computer? "Uhh I get 2000FPS on Minecraft?" No, How fast does it start man?!
[15:07]<+Craig> Oh uhhh, 2 minutes,
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> lol
[15:07]<+Craig> Dude, Mine is WAY faster, it starts in 2 seconds.
[15:07]<camerongray> lol!
[15:08]<camerongray> Oh yeah, I hate them
[15:08]<camerongray> "In this video I will compare a pentium dual core to an i7, here's my friend's laptop with a Pentium and here's mine with an i7" "Interestingly the Pentium booted faster so that means that it's better than the i7"
[15:09]<+Craig> Hey Cameron, you know SSD's can fail a lot faster than standard platter drives sometimes right?
[15:09]<camerongray> yeah, but they tend to degrade and become slower first
[15:09]<+Craig> I noticed you said more reliable, and I was just curious, I had seen some failure rates that were higher,.
[15:09]<+Craig> Ah, fair enough
[15:09]<camerongray> Whreas a HDD can just suddenly die
[15:09]<+Craig> True,
[15:09]<camerongray> At least an SSD would give warning
[15:09]<@Mulreay> 'Render videos 'on' seconds'
[15:09]<camerongray> lol, hey Mulreay
[15:09]<+Craig> ... yes yes, we all know about my grammar today...
[15:09]<@Mulreay> lol
[15:10]<+Craig> How goes it Mulreay?
[15:10]<@Mulreay> hey guys
[15:10]<+Craig> Anyone up for SimCity?
[15:10]<+Craig> "{
[15:10]<+Craig> :P
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> lol you even failed at an emoticon!
[15:10]<@Mulreay> Which one?
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> I like it though, it's like... a guy with one eye and a moustache
[15:11]<+Craig> 5
[15:11]<@Mulreay> Ahhh I don't have that one sec
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[15:13]<+Craig> Origin Client sucks...
[15:14]<@Mulreay> OK had to look hear instead of the laptop... starting gaming things
[15:14]<+Craig> ... right their servers are offline... :<
[15:14]<@BC_Programming> lol
[15:14]<@BC_Programming> as usual from what I hear
[15:15]<+Craig> Nah an update
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> o
[15:15]<camerongray> Mulreay: How are you getting on with the PITB website?
[15:15]<@Mulreay> I like how every time I start Steam I should sell a close relative
[15:15]<+Craig> ? I don't get it/
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> they had a two extended family members deal on the other day
[15:16]<@Mulreay> They want me to buy stuff
[15:16]<+Craig> Anyone want a Intel 1155 Water cooler by HP?
[15:16]<+Craig> Fits all 1155 and 1150 boards.
[15:17]<@BC_Programming> I'd have this new plugin down great if it wasn't for this silly feature
[15:17]<+Craig> OH hahahahaha
[15:18]<@BC_Programming> (Minecraft/Bukkit) make XP act as Health
[15:18]<+Craig> ? really
[15:18]<@BC_Programming> so now I need to store each players maximum health, and every time a player takes damage do the damage to their XP, then detect when their XP is 0
[15:21]<+Craig> Hey have you guys heard about the blocks for making Youtube load faster? If your ISP is blocking specific content?
[15:21]<@Mulreay> There is a reason I only speak to my friend
[15:21]<@Mulreay> Figures 5.1(a) and 5.1(b) show perimeter formulas for squares and rectangles.

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[15:25] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[15:25]<@Mulreay> oops
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[15:25]<@Mulreay> hahahahaha
[15:26]<@Mulreay> OK will sit here.. I can chat If you want too
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[15:27]<@BC_Programming> GRUMLY RETURNS
[15:28]<Grumly> Lol, calm down Chatbot. People are just happy to see me :P
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> heh
[15:29]<Grumly> Had to make room for my new laptop which arrives tomorrow
[15:29]<@BC_Programming> you set aside an entire room?
[15:29]<@BC_Programming> :P
[15:29]<Grumly> Well, pretty darn close to that yeah :P
[15:30]<Grumly> If a bomb exploded in my room it'd probably be more organised than it is now
[15:31]<@Mulreay> One hopes you to well... later my friend
[15:36]<+Craig> ?
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> I'm equally confused
[15:37]<@Mulreay> We will always be in the 'Game of Thrones'.
[15:37]<@BC_Programming> o
[15:37]<@BC_Programming> never seen that
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> from what I've heard it sounds like some odd mixture between Lord of the Flies and 1984, primarily aimed for audiences that don't know about either
[15:42]<@Mulreay> Not sure how lord of the flies makes sence with stupid English people
[15:42]<@Mulreay> Read it many times
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> because it's kids isn't it?
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> I thought it was
[15:43]<@Mulreay> Yes it is kids?
[15:43]<@Mulreay> ????
[15:44]<@Mulreay> But they have to act like adults
[15:44]<lucifer> I've read that book
[15:44]<@BC_Programming> Imean lord of the flies is kids and Game of Thrones is kids too
[15:44]<+camerongray> I luckily avoided that
[15:44]<lucifer> You forget that they are kids halfway through the book
[15:44]<+camerongray> Then again, we did Burns at school...
[15:45]<+camerongray> American guy at uni tried to read it, *PAINFUL*
[15:46]<@Mulreay> Lord of the Flies and I'm speaking myself.. its all about the glassess
[15:46]<@BC_Programming> Piggy
[15:46]<@Mulreay> exactly
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> Piggum->Wiggum->Ralph Wiggum
[15:47]<+camerongray> lol
[15:48]<@Mulreay> OK will seak later
[15:48]<@Mulreay> speak
[15:48]<+camerongray> Was that a "BC sounds drunk, I'll leave now"? :P
[15:49]<@BC_Programming> I'll have you know I was a Marine and I specialized in Gorilla warfare
[15:49]<@Mulreay> Was that a "BC sounds drunk, I'll leave now"? :P What?
[15:49]<@BC_Programming> Fighting Gorilla's that is
[15:50]<@BC_Programming> They might even have been Drunk Gorillas
[15:50]<+camerongray> hahaha
[15:50]<@BC_Programming> Still get flashbacks... "Their firing the Banana Cannon!"
[15:51]<@Mulreay> It's OK I still don't like BC but Cameron slow down buddy
[15:52]<+camerongray> whaaa?
[15:52]<@BC_Programming> they're*
[15:53]<@Mulreay> You said it was cool to hate him but we will check him out later
[15:53]<+camerongray> What did I miss?
[15:53]<@Mulreay> lol
[15:53]<@BC_Programming> I am not a library book!
[15:53]<+camerongray> lol
[15:53]<@Mulreay> Joking camerongray
[15:53]<+camerongray> ahh
[15:53]<@BC_Programming> or... maybe I am... perhaps that's an existential quandary
[15:54]<@Mulreay> It's me that hates him
[15:54]<@Mulreay> not you
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[15:54]<@FoundCoast> lol
[15:55]<@Mulreay> don't find yourself funny
[15:55] * FoundCoast is now known as BC_Programming
[15:56]<@BC_Programming> I'll do what I please, I'm a library book so I'm like a minority or something
[15:57]<@BC_Programming> having to deal with... bibliophobes
[15:58]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: I beg you to join CH with that nick!
[15:58]<@BC_Programming> heh that would be amusing
[15:59]<+Craig> Do it
[15:59]<@BC_Programming> Craig you just joined CH didn't you :P
[15:59]<+Craig> yes
[15:59]<+Craig> To see what coast would say
[15:59]<@BC_Programming> I'm there already but you will never discover my secret identity
[16:00]<+camerongray> Join again under the name
[16:00]<@BC_Programming> No I'm taking a lumberjack approach
[16:01]<@BC_Programming> Just logging all day
[16:02]<+Craig> I am going to say, Adoray, or Ducksworth
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> http://pastebin.com/RTZZzvPg
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> MADNESS
[16:23]<+Craig> I have NO FLIPPING clue what that pastebin means :p
[16:23]<@BC_Programming> it's the handler for Entities damaging other entities in the bukkit plugin I am working on
[16:25]<+Craig> And What is that going to do?
[16:25]<@BC_Programming> it handles the special effects applied to equipment and weapons
[16:25]<+Craig> ahh, yup, asked twice, still don't fully understand :P Guess I was not meant to know :p
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> they are "stored" as lore and parsed from that string, but that's done in another class
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> this one specifically just grabs the Effect names and information and then calls the appropriate effect
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> right now I only have two effects lol
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> Strength (which adds damage) and Knockback
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> oh and it (tries) to make damage apply to the player's XP rather than health
[16:27]<+Craig> ahh I see,
[16:27]<+Craig> Hey BC, is it 3:27 your time right now?
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> thereabouts
[16:28]<+Craig> Hmmm, me thinks that EA might have screwed up on the Server Updates timing :P Cause they shut down at 1pm PST and are still down :p
[16:28]<+Craig> They said 2 hrs.
[16:29]<+Craig> :P
[16:32]<+Craig> WOW my Galaxy S4 is going to be HUGE at 5in across. :S
[16:32]<+Craig> WAY bigger than the S2 I have
[16:32]<+camerongray> lol, nice!
[16:32]<+camerongray> I have the Nexus 4
[16:32]<+Craig> and at 1920x1080 thats crazy
[16:33]<+Craig> thats the same resolution as my screens..> :S
[16:33]<+Craig> :S
[16:33]<@BC_Programming> heh in MC I found a base I haven't visited in a while... I know because the signs are still stacked in the chests
[16:35]<+Craig> hahahah
[16:36]<+Craig> Wow, you should run your chest Randomization plugin on your save :P hahahahaha
[16:36]<+Craig> :P that would totally make a mess :P
[16:36]<@BC_Programming> lol uh no thx
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[16:49]<+Craig> When is the 1.6 release?
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[16:52]<@BC_Programming> Craig: dunno
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> I think I remember they said they were aiming for May
[16:52]<+Craig> Do you have a 1.6a server?
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> snapshot?
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> no
[16:53]<@BC_Programming> I was considering upgrading the vanilla to the snapshot, but it has a few bugs that cause crashes
[17:05]<+Craig> Did you know that horses could climb vines
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> yeah, everything can if it walks into it
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> well everything as in living stuff/lobs
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> mobs*
[17:07]<+Craig> Wow, that is three hours now they've been down.
[17:10]<+Craig> http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/04/22/microsoft-reportedly-reintroducing-start-button-with-windows-8-1/
[17:12]<@BC_Programming> Windows Blue doesn't have a Start button iirc
[17:12]<+Craig> Windows Blue?
[17:13]<@BC_Programming> the next version, I remember getting a link to a CTP, but don't have a good way to mess with it
[17:16]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[17:16]<@BC_Programming> Windosw Blue's 'start menu' is actually just a larger area for the start screen thingie
[17:16]<+Craig> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=510288665697008&set=a.249499061775971.62201.249451158447428&type=1&relevant_count=1 <- I think I actually managed to post first?
[17:17]<+Craig> hahahahahaha that would be stupid, that is, if it is just a link to the start screen... :S
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> It's the same way it is now in win8, but they gave it an image
[17:17]<+Craig> :P
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> I guess they took it out of proportion and said OMGZ the START MENUZ is BACK
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> may as well start reporting that Program Manager is making a comeback heh
[17:18]<+Craig> :P Yeah, always happens that way :P
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[17:23]<Grumly> jacky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahum, I mean "Hi"
[17:23]<+Craig> Hey Hacky
[17:23]<Grumly> Stop being such a pain in the behind Chanbot :P
[17:23]<@BC_Programming> Hacky?
[17:24]<@BC_Programming> TCL Hacky?
[17:24] * @jacky is ... I dunno....
[17:24]<+Craig> The alternative to Jacky
[17:24]<@jacky> how many people do you know, that can do nothing, and generate such a mess?
[17:24]<+Craig> :P Hacky
[17:24]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[17:24]<+Craig> My sister, so 1
[17:24]<Grumly> Did you just ask if I knew myself?
[17:24]<@jacky> hamerongray: Hello
[17:24]<+camerongray> Me too
[17:25]<@jacky> Craig: hehe
[17:25]<@jacky> Grumly: Hello :)
[17:25]<+camerongray> I now have TWO piles of stuff on my floor, TWO!
[17:25]<@jacky> you have piles?
[17:25]<+Craig> https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/715298-45-beaglebone-black-keeps-eyes-on-raspberry-pi\
[17:25]<+camerongray> 4 laptops one of them
[17:25]<+camerongray> hehehe
[17:25]<Grumly> I have a pile of clothes that have been lying there for at least 5 years (a)
[17:26]<@jacky> plant a flower in them
[17:26]<+Craig> Stupid SimCity servers. :(
[17:26]<+camerongray> Yeah, trying to figure how long these piles have been there
[17:27]<Grumly> That would mean it'd become productive in some way.. we can't have that :P
[17:27]<+camerongray> Oh dear, two boxes of kilt stuff are sitting *on the top* and were last used at an event on the 24th of March!
[17:27]<@jacky> are you sure you have piles?
[17:27]<@jacky> http://www.google.com/#safe=off&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=define:+piles&oq=define:+piles&gs_l=hp.3..0l4.1290.3238.0.3405.13.13.0.0.0.0.747.4868.0j3j0j3j2j3j1.12.0...0.0...1c.1.9.psy-ab.dNM74-2VdjM&pbx=1&fp=1&biw=1352&bih=589&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b
[17:27]<+camerongray> hehehe
[17:28]<+camerongray> I really should put those boxes away incase they get damaged
[17:28]<@jacky> move to a bigger house
[17:28]<@jacky> more junk!
[17:28]<+camerongray> lol, way ahead of you :P
[17:28]<@jacky> you've filled it up, before you moved in??
[17:28]<@jacky> <g>
[17:28]<+camerongray> hehehe
[17:29]<+camerongray> Nah, paid a deposit on a flat already
[17:29]<@jacky> does it have a refrigerator?
[17:29]<+camerongray> hehehe
[17:29]<+camerongray> yep :P
[17:29]<@jacky> it's perfect!
[17:29]<+camerongray> *AND* running water
[17:29]<+camerongray> Here it is: http://www.citylets.co.uk/property-rent/sciennes-sciennes-road-eh9-50437/
[17:29]<@jacky> don't worry about things like that... just be sure to keep the beer cold
[17:30]<@BC_Programming> And it has a framed picture that says "IRC is not the place to ask programming questions"
[17:30]<+camerongray> hehehe
[17:31]<@jacky> har
[17:31]<+camerongray> Lets see what's in these piles, could be interesting
[17:31]<@jacky> is this the cost? £1050 pcm
[17:31]<+camerongray> Yeah, £1050 a month, split between 3
[17:31]<+camerongray> So £350 each
[17:32]<@jacky> wow! $1600 a month???
[17:32]<+camerongray> yeah
[17:32]<@jacky> you could rent a nice house around here, for about half of that
[17:32]<+camerongray> Edinburgh is insanely expensive!
[17:32]<@jacky> sounds like it
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[17:32]<+camerongray> Wow! To my left - 4 laptops, tonnes of chargers, extension cord, soldering iron, desoldering pump, screwdrivers, Nexus 4 box, and a router
[17:33]<@jacky> you are into wood working?
[17:33]<@jacky> "a router"
[17:33]<@jacky> <g>
[17:33]<+camerongray> hahha
[17:34]<+camerongray> To my right - keyboard, cake of CDs, cake of DVDs, piles of paper, keyboard, 17" LCD monitor, 19" LCD monitor, CD-RW drive, DVD-ROM drive, box for a gigabit NIC, WIndows 7 DVD, bin, bag from kilt store, box for kilt shoes and box of misc kilt stuff
[17:35]<+camerongray> I need to clear out
[17:35]<+camerongray> Well, not clear out, just put things away
[17:35]<@jacky> eBay !
[17:35]<+camerongray> hahaha, nothing there I need to sell though
[17:37]<+camerongray> The funny thing is that the pile is in the way of the door to the cupboard that the stuff should be in
[17:37]<@jacky> ooooohhh.... and we all wonder what is really in the cupboard....
[17:38]<+camerongray> More computer junk :P
[17:38]<+camerongray> Oh, and some clothes
[17:38]<@jacky> computer clothes?
[17:38]<+camerongray> Hahaha
[17:38]<@jacky> programming clothes?
[17:39]<+camerongray> I've actually moved some expensive clothes onto my door so they don't get crushed up against computer stuff
[17:39]<@jacky> is it a good door or a cheap door though?
[17:39]<+camerongray> hahaha, feels pretty solid
[17:40]<@jacky> whew
[17:40]<@jacky> ok
[17:40]<+camerongray> Although I'm not sure if the hook can take the weight :P
[17:40]<+camerongray> At least in the flat there's a separate wardrobe
[17:41]<@jacky> will you need a compactor? before you fill it up?
[17:41]<+camerongray> hahaha, not for clothes :P
[17:41]<@jacky> then again... when paying that kind of rent, you won't have anything left over for computer goodies
[17:41]<+camerongray> You see people spending thousands on fancy clothes, I spend like £50 a year tops!
[17:42]<+camerongray> lol!
[17:43]<+camerongray> It's £350/mo each so not too bad
[17:43]<@jacky> phone... brb
[17:44]<+camerongray> And it's in a VERY good area: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sciennes+Rd,+Edinburgh,+UK&hl=en&ll=55.93788,-3.185606&spn=0.013917,0.042272&sll=35.029996,-95.712891&sspn=41.167056,86.572266&oq=sc&t=h&hq=Sciennes+Rd,&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&z=15&layer=c&cbll=55.937945,-3.186765&panoid=cXOaNLTva4u5nUTgtb2_kg&cbp=12,323.5,,0,7.86
[17:45]<@jacky> is that a dead body, there behind the wrought iron fence?
[17:45]<+camerongray> hahaha
[17:45]<@jacky> heh
[17:46]<@jacky> ok... I need to be leaving
[17:46]<@jacky> see you all later
[17:46]<+camerongray> Right next to a big open grassy area
[17:46]<@jacky> 
[17:46]<+camerongray> cya
[17:46]<@jacky> :)
[17:46]<@jacky> 
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[18:10]<+camerongray> gah, why does it have to be impossible to program to music that has words!
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[19:18]<Kevin> Oh? :O
[19:18]<Kevin> What's the issue? :O
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> Forgive me for what I have done.
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> I've never felt the need to confess...
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> this war has gone on much longer
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> than any of us, would have guessed
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> I've heard the names that they call me
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> some sting, some can't help but ring true
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> I have to live with what I've done
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> find the strength to continue
[19:20]<@BC_Programming> the end
[19:22]<@BC_Programming> cams issue is that he words distract him fwiw and iirc
[19:24]<Kevin> LMFAO Oh I see
[19:24]<Kevin> totally misread that
[19:24]<Kevin> I thought he was trying to program in some type of music or something xD
[19:24]<@BC_Programming> I sang for him anyway
[19:32]<+camerongray> Ahh, lol
[19:32]<+camerongray> I remember during a hackathon I had 24 hours of constant electronic music
[19:33]<@BC_Programming> thankfully I only sang in text
[19:33]<+camerongray> Well, with a couple of breaks where we played songs on a loop for extended periods of time
[19:33]<+camerongray> We played this for about 2 hours! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q
[19:34]<+camerongray> By the end, we were literally going crazy!
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> hmm this is actually a very interesting plugin idea at least for effects
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> technically I can add any sort of "enchantment" I want
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> I mean how about a Speed modifier for bows? Shoot arrows faster lol
[19:35]<+camerongray> That video has completely taken me back to the moment of writing core functionality with 10 mins to go
[19:35]<Kevin> Oh god, somebody had an idea for Tux to make a rapid-fire bow before
[19:35]<Kevin> The power o_o
[19:36]<@BC_Programming> that's what the game could use, whole bunch of that type of enchantment
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> haste boots that make you run faster, enchantments on the bow so you can shoot farther/faster, etc
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[19:43]<@BC_Programming> ability to shoot more frequently could be called Dexterity
[19:43]<Erika> hi
[19:46]<+camerongray> Oh dear, just realised that I'd left that video running in the background, I must be immune to it now! :P
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[21:26]<@Mulreay> Awake at 4:26am something speaks to me that this is a bad thing
[21:33]<@Mulreay> 199 subs and 158,305 video views... 200 subs or 200,000 views first? I get about 200 views per day but want 200 subs first
[21:34]<@Mulreay> I meant 160,000 views not 200,000 but that would be coooooolllll
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